Month: June 2014

Langkawi 2014 and the Paleo diet – part II – OR – Economical eating in Langkawi

And how did it work out?  Not as planned.

The two restaurants I was looking forward to patronising, on the Pantai Tengah road, closed a few months ago: the Lebanese (Mona) and the Mexican restaurants. Although they appeared still to be open when I checked on the Internet.  Mona will open in another location in a few months, I heard. But very disappointing.

So, the meals we had:

Day 1 dinner: Mexican Restaurant on Pantai Cenang.

Day 2 breakfast: Leftover dinner from the night before. Coffee

Day 2 lunch: Fish and chips at Scarborough Fish ‘n Chips

Day 2 dinner: Fruit and chicken from the night market and chicken and crisps we’d brought with us

Day 3 breakfast: Fruit and chicken from the night market and some coffee

Day 3 lunch: Not so hungry. So, chocolate.

Day 3 dinner: Chicken Kebab from the Istanbul restaurant

Day 4 breakfast: Leftover food we still had and fruit from a local shop

Day 4 lunch: KFC – (it was very hot and it seemed the coolest place in Kuala Perlis while waiting for the bus)

The Mexican restaurant was nice, but expensive. One dish shared between two would have been sufficient.

on the road through Cenang

on the road through Cenang

Happy Hour is good

Happy Hour is good

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This was good, but cost over RM30

Scarborough Fish ‘n Chips was good as ever – I have previously written about it.

good for lunch

good for lunch

right next to the beach

right next to the beach

food menu

food menu

drinks menu

drinks menu

Serving was plentiful and it tasted good

Serving was plentiful and it tasted good

There is a night market every night in some part of Langkawi.  They are marked on the tourist map.  These are useful for getting food to eat there, or take away. And it’s cheap there.  Go there earlyish and leave before dark as you don’t really want to be driving in the dark due to roaming black buffaloes.

durians

durians

mangosteens and rambutans

mangosteens and rambutans

A piece of chicken (Ayam) for RM2 - and it was delicious

A piece of chicken (Ayam) for RM2 – and it was delicious

Istanbul Restaurant was overpriced and the food average.

pricey, poor choice, small volume and average quality.  Cost RM19 for a small chicken Kebab.  In Berlin for the same price you get a kebab you can save half of for breakfast.

pricey, poor choice, small volume and average quality. Cost RM19 for a small chicken Kebab. In Berlin for the same price you get a kebab you can save half of for breakfast.

My latest formula for successful and economical eating in Langkawi.

  • Rent transport – preferably a car. You’ll need it to get to markets and around in general.
  • Stay somewhere that has a fridge to keep food and your beer cold. And a kettle so you can make coffee. Take coffee.
  • Visit a duty-free store and stock up on beer / wine / spirits – whatever it is you drink – soon after you arrive.  You really only find these stores in Kuah Town, Cenang and Oriental Village.
  • When you go out take some drinks with you in the car as you normally won’t find alcoholic beverages outside of these places
  • Check blogs for other people’s ideas on restaurants.
  • Go to markets to eat and / or to take away the fruit and food you want.
  • Keep an eye out for restaurants that might be of interest to you.
  • Take advantage of Happy Hour
  • Order a smaller number of dish(es) and share – or take away leftovers, as…
  • Breakfast offerings are poor unless you stay in an expensive hotel which provides breakfast, so you want to have bought something in preparation
  • Eat at least one meal at Scarborough Fish ‘n Chips – after a swim at Tanjung Rhu beach is ideal, as you can shower at Scarborough before your lunch

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A few changes at Straits Quays

As I wandered around SQ today (Monday 23rd)  I noticed some more shops had closed down, other shops I hadn’t noticed before had appeared, and that it was very quiet.  None of the changes affect me.

Charlie Browns had closed, as had a luggage shop and Delicious, a coffee shop which I had patronised only once.  In place of Delicious the hoarding says Sea Queen restaurant is coming.

ex-Delicious location

ex-Delicious location

The best thing is that Sam’s Groceria is supposed to be opening on August 1st.

Well, that’s it really. Nothing exciting.

 

A trip from Penang to Langkawi by bus and ferry – mid-2014

“The reviews of the ferry ride from Penang to Langkawi were that if the weather was calm it was OK, but if rough, people were sick, and the cabin is enclosed, so it becomes a very unpleasant crossing.  See my blog on travel options for more details.” … as I’ve written before.

We decided for this trip to catch the bus to see if this was easier and / or cheaper than driving and paying for parking at the port.  The last trip in December 2012 was during school holidays, and prices in Langkawi were much higher, so this trip started after school had returned. And we thought it was nicer to catch the ferry from George Town and then bus from Butterworth,  rather than the more straightforward Sungai Nibong start.  Starting at Sungai Nibong means one less transfer, but paying a bit more for the taxi.  And the bus will start at Sungai Nibong anyway, then stop at Butterworth. I just enjoy the ferry ride to Butterworth more, though.

Booking bus tickets for Plusliner, Butterworth to Kuala Perlis, on the web was unsuccessful as the web site didn’t work, so we had to go to the bus terminal at Sungai Nibong to purchase them, and we did this about 10 days in advance.  Not that we thought it was really necessary to book, but we were going to Queensbay Mall anyway, and the bus terminal is nearby. You can easily park there, and we were charged RM1 for a short time.

bus ticket

bus ticket

One way costs for one person:

RM20 for taxi to George Town ferry terminal – or if you like RM10 each as there were two of us

RM0 for ferry (returning to George Town it costs RM1.20)

RM16.50 for bus ticket from Butterworth to Kuala Perlis

RM18 for ferry from Kuala Perlis to Langkawi

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RM54.50

 

Schedule:

07.50 – taxi to George Town

08.15ish – ferry to Butterworth

9.00 – bus departs for Kuala Perlis

11.25 – bus arrives in Kuala Perlis

12.00 – ferry departs for Langkawi

13.15 – ferry arrives at Kuah Town ferry terminal, Langkawi

Times are approximate, as most transport left a few minutes late.

 

The trip:

So, a 10 minute taxi ride got us to the ferry terminal in George Town a little after 8AM, and the sign said four ferries were running per hour. The next ferry departed at 8.18 and arrived at 8.36.

ferry waiting room

ferry waiting room

boarding the ferry to Butterworth

boarding the ferry to Butterworth

underway

underway

four ferries running

four ferries running

seating area on ferry

seating area on ferry

another blue ferry, but with a different car/passenger configuration

another blue ferry, but with a different car/passenger configuration

arriving at Butterworth

arriving at Butterworth

It’s only a few minutes walk to the bus terminal, with ramps for trolley bags for all slopes  except for one short flight of stairs.

Butterworth bus terminal

Butterworth bus terminal

our bus

our bus

Our 9AM bus arrived at 9.01.  It was up to the passengers to load their own luggage in the hold. The driver only opened the hold doors if you asked. And actually the bus was full, we were told.  So it was fortunate we had previously purchased tickets.

inside the bus

inside the bus

The bus condition was reasonable, and the inside clean. As you can see it was a two plus two seat configuration.  There was no entertainment system.

bus route

bus route

The bus departed around 9.10 and in a minute or so it was on the motorway and enjoying a clear run north.

clear road north

clear road north

now there is a double train track laid north

now there is a double train track laid north

We arrived at the bus terminal at Alor Setar at 10.30, and departed about five minutes later. I got out to stretch my legs, but mostly through passengers stayed on board.

at the Alor Setar bus terminal

at the Alor Setar bus terminal

police stopping lorries

police stopping lorries

ordinary roads from now to our destination

ordinary roads from now to our destination

so 40 Kilometres to go

so 40 Kilometres to go

nice scenery on the way

nice scenery on the way

a tree nursery?

a tree nursery?

nice scenery on the way

nice scenery on the way

nice scenery on the way

nice scenery on the way

houses on the river with bougenvillea growing

houses on the river with Bougainvillea growing

nice scenery on the way

nice scenery on the way

the sea at last

the sea at last

almost there

almost there

We arrived at Kuala Perlis bus terminal at 11.25. It’s a few minutes flat walk to the ferry terminal. At this terminal there are bus ticket windows for various routes, and a desultory shop.

we've arrived

we’ve arrived

Kuala Perlis bus terminal

Kuala Perlis bus terminal

Kuala Perlis bus terminal

Kuala Perlis bus terminal

walkway to ferry terminal

covered walkway to ferry terminal

shops near ferry terminal

shops near ferry terminal

 ferry terminal

ferry terminal

 ferry terminal

ferry terminal ticket window – you can’t buy tickets in advance, so you buy on arrival

RM18, then

RM18, then

don't trust this

I think the left column is departure times from Langkawi, and the right column departure times from Kuala Perlis

ferry ticket

ferry ticket

waiting room

waiting room

the ferry

the ferry

our departure is 12.00

our departure is 12.00

Luggage is stored unattended near the entrance doors of the ferry on the lower deck. The toilets aboard were Western style, clean and not smelly – far better than the usual Malaysian standard.

luggage storage

luggage storage

seating onboard - it was fairly empty, so we sat where we liked

seating onboard – it was fairly empty, so we sat where we liked

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ferry terminal taken from the departing ferry

It was a smooth trip apart from about three minutes of rocking around 30 minutes into the trip – perhaps hitting a current.

approaching Kuah Ferry Terminal on Langkawi

approaching Kuah Ferry Terminal on Langkawi

We departed at 12.05 and arrived about 13.15.

arrival at Langkawi

arrival at Langkawi

arrival at Langkawi

arrival at Langkawi

on the jetty

on the jetty

just follow this corridor out

just follow this corridor out

Just follow the exit signs and you are soon outside. Across a pedestrian crossing you will find the tourist office, travel offices, and car rental agencies, all in one oval building. It is easy to get yourself organised. There are also touts for car rental and hotels. Sometimes we use them as they are OK.

We didn’t try very hard to get a low price, but it was out of holiday season, and a small manual rental car  was RM50 per day (of 24 hours), a small automatic RM60.  We paid in cash for the full three days, and additionally  RM100 cash deposit and had no problem getting it refunded on return of the car.

All in all, a good trip, with everything going smoothly.

Parking at wet markets

We used to shop at the Pulau Tikus wet market.  It is only a few minutes walk there, but given the atrocious driving of car drivers and riding of motorcyclists, plus lack of appropriate and safe footpaths, it was too dangerous to walk. So I had to drive, which took about the same amount of time as walking.  But then the car park was eliminated, and it became impossible to park on the streets as everyone else was also trying to park there.

So we started to shop instead at the Mt. Erskine wet market. It is too far to walk there, but only a few minutes by car if I don’t hit a jam. The actual market car park is small and always packed, but in the nearby streets you may find a spot, and there is also some empty land to park on.  But on Monday there was a “no parking” sign on the empty land.  I don’t know why.  But without those spaces the streets will be too packed to park.

So, it might be back to the old standby – one person stopped somewhere in the car, waiting, while the other does the shopping.

Mt. Erskine parking - useful for wet market

Mt. Erskine parking – useful for wet market – and now no longer?

 

Malaysia’s Jungle Line – (Malacca to) Gemas to Kota Baru by train – AKA Circling Malaysia by rail (mostly) 3/4 – mid-2014 update

24/06/2014 UPDATE

Yesterday I noted an interesting article in the Star newspaper concerning this line. If you are planning a trip, you should check to see if this service is running before committing to travel plans.

However, in case the link disappears, here is the text copied from the Star site above:

 

East coast line to undergo repairs

KUALA LIPIS: Keretapi Tanah Melayu Bhd (KTMB) is expected to close down its 321km Gemas-Gua Musang stretch along the east coast railway to conduct major track repair works soon.

Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar said that despite its earlier notice to KTMB ordering its closure on Thursday, he expected KTMB to appeal the decision.

“We have noticed that KTMB has continued to operate despite such risky conditions,” he said.

It was important to stop as the Government had approved RM400mil to im­­prove the current railway track, he said after conducting a joint inspection with KTMB president Datuk Elias Kadir and KTMB chairman Datuk Nawawi Ahmad, senior SPAD officials and KTMB staff along the stretch yesterday.

The major track repair works involving 11 affected areas are expected to take up to two years to complete.

Among the affected parts along the stretch are railway bridges along Kuala Krai and Gua Musang in Kelantan, which face the problem of rotten wooden slippers, as well as soil subsidence and erosion affecting the tracks along Kuala Lipis and Jerantut in Pahang.

It is learnt that 13 minor derailments have occurred on the railway line since 2012.

Syed Hamid said while the notice issued was made in the interest of public safety, a final decision would not be made until KTMB had formally made their appeal.

“We understand KTMB’s situation and their services are a real need. Therefore, their position must be improved from time to time,” he said.

When asked whether the changes in the notice could affect those travelling during the upcoming Hari Raya season, he said the safety of the public remained the biggest priority.

“We have suggested KTMB to provide alternatives as we do not want to risk a big tragedy during the balik kampung rush,” he said.

Admitting their financial shortcomings, Nawawi thanked the Government for approving the allocation, but hoped that SPAD would delay the closure notice.

“We will discuss our appeal during the KTMB board of directors meeting on Thursday and will hand it over to SPAD soon.

“While we are very concerned about the safety aspects of our passengers, we would also need time to adjust to the possible closure,” he said.

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Malaysian rail network

Planning:

The plan was to catch a taxi from Malacca to Gemas, have breakfast if time, and then board the train for Wakaf Baru, the station near Kota Baru, where we would spend the night.  There is only one day time train a day, and so if you wish to see the scenery you have no choice but to take it. It only has second class carriages. They are in worse condition than the west coast trains.

Malacca to Gemas.

As there is no train line to Malacca, the branch line having been destroyed during World War 2, and having had no desire to spend the night in Gemas, we found ourselves having to catch a taxi early in the morning to Gemas Station.  There may be a bus, but I wouldn’t reply on being able to get to Gemas on time for the train. And as the train comes from Singapore there is no good train connection from Kuala Lumpur to meet this train.

Google Maps showed the following about the route by road from Malacca to Gemas:

  • Route 1 91.4 km, 1 hour 32 mins
  • Lebuh Amj and Route 1 89.2 km, 1 hour 36 mins N15

The taxi stand in Melaka Sentral quoted us RM140 to Gemas, and a driving time of up to two hours.

The Jungle Line – Gemas to Kota Baru:

Train 14 to Kota Baru [Wakaf Baru] (EKSPRES SINARAN TIMUR  17-Sep-2012 09:38 17-Sep-2012 18:52) is scheduled to depart at 9.38 from Gemas.

The other question is where to alight the train. There is no actual station at Kota Baru. This is what The man in Seat 61 says:

“Which station for Khota Bharu?  The closest station to Khota Bahru is Wakaf Bharu, about 5 km (3 miles) away.  A taxi from Wakaf Bharu to Khota Bharu costs around 12 Ringgits.  However, if you want to travel more cheaply by bus, there’s a better and more frequent bus service from Pasir Mas, 19km from Khota Bharu.  Buses run from Pasir Mas to Khota Bahru every 15-20 minutes from 06:45 to 19:00 from a bus station just 100 metres from Pasir Mas railway station.  If you want to complete the whole train journey to Tumpat, no problem, buses also link Tumpat with Khota Bharu every 45 minutes 06:45-19:30.  Bus information for all these routes is at www.cityliner.com.my, select ‘Kelantan’ then ‘Khota Bharu’ as your location.
Heading into Thailand?  Bus 29 runs every half hour from Khota Bahru bus station near the central market via Pasir Mas to the Thai/Malay border point at Rantau Panjang, fare 5 ringgits (£1), distance 45 km, journey time about 1 hour.  A taxi will cost about 17 ringgits.  Walk across the border from Rantau Panjang (Malay side) to Sungai Kolok (Thai side) and keep walking straight on for 800m to Sungai Kolok Railway station for trains to Hat Yai, Surat Thani & Bangkok. “
As most Malaysian trains do not have a dining car or even trolley service, we brought some food and water which we’d bought in Malacca the night before.
We booked a hotel in Kota Baru in advance as the train was scheduled to arrive around 7PM, which was a little late to be hunting around for a hotel.

The Trip:

We had  a taxi booked for 7AM, as we were told it could take up to two hours.  We were told the going rate was RM140, but were charged RM120 as the hotel managed a discount for us. As the traffic was light, it being a holiday, it took only one hour 20 minutes.

So we had over an hour to explore Gemas and the station, and to breakfast.  Most of Gemas was still closed at 8.20, and there did not appear to be so much to see anyway, but The Curry Point was open, and busy.

a great place for breakfast

We asked for Dosa,and a cup of coffee each, and the dosa was delicious. Cost for both of us, RM5.80.

dosa

Gemas station also has a cafe, but we were too full to even properly look in. It was open by 9AM, though.

Gemas station has a new platform, but all prospective passengers waited on the old platform until the train was shunted in to the new one, and then the way was opened for us to enter the new platform and board the train.

old platform

The main rail line is electrified, but the Jungle line uses diesel locomotives, so changing locomotives took time.  The train was only three carriages long, and they were all second class. Not long after boarding the train it departed, at about 9.45AM.

new platform and train

The point of this trip is to see the wonderful scenery. There is a report by a traveller on the The man in Seat 61 web page, which is what enticed me to make the trip in the first place. But as we continued to travel along the line, what we saw was mainly palm oil plantations, or land that was cleared, presumably for more palm oil plantations.

By 15.00 this had not changed, and we were still passing by the palm oil plantations or the devastated cleared land. This was disappointing.

There was a trolley on the train with snacks and sweet drinks, but no actual food.  It was wheeled through the train a couple of times, but was kept in the last carriage. We were happy we’d brought our own supplies.

At around 15.15 we arrived at Chegar Perah, little suspecting that we would spend the next 2 1/2 hours there. Of course, it was not announced, and even if you ask the conductor you don’t get much of an answer.  Apparently there was some breakdown somewhere up the line, and we were kept in a siding until other trains had passed. It is only a single line, with some sidings along the way for passing.

We amused ourselves watching the cows, goats and hens with their chicks wander past the train. The goats could actually walk on the rails without falling off.

goats walking along the rails at Chegar Perah

We walked around the train. Looked at the cows.

cows crossing the lines to where the grass is greener

There was a shop we found, by watching other people go there, but it wasn’t selling any food or drinks we were interested in.

the siding on the left, and the main line on the right

We got too hot outside and sat in our seats, as the air conditioning was still on.  A couple of trains went past in the opposite direction. We tried to sleep. Eventually around 17.40 the train moved off.

we finally move off

And from now the scenery improved.

At 18.45 we arrived in Gua Musang, and the train shunted into a siding again, and we waited for perhaps 30 minutes while trains passed by going  in the other direction.

It seemed to us that the train controllers had decided our train’s punctuality was a total lost cause, so they might as well make us even later, and keep the trains going south on time. Of course, there was still absolutely no information from the conductor, the driver, or the train company as to what was happening. By now it was almost dark, so we knew we were not going to see the scenery we had ridden the train to see.

Once we finally moved off it was dark and we couldn’t see anything. We stopped at Bukit Abu around 21.04 for about 10 minutes, and then at Kuala Krai at about 22.00, where we shunted again and went backwards and waited for a while. At last, around 23.50 we pulled into Wakaf Baru, five hours late, and with no apology or explanation from any of the train staff.

The locals get picked up by their friends, but there were quite a lot of foreigners, who no doubt wanted taxis, and not many taxis, so we had to hurriedly agree to a fare of RM35 (which probably should have been RM20), for the 10 minute ride to our hotel, or wait perhaps half an hour until the taxis returned and try for a cheaper fare. It was the only time we were cheated on our trip.

Hotels:

Malacca: River Song Residence, 100 Lorong Hang Jebat, Jonkers Street. This hotel/residence is inexpensive, new, clean, and has terraces right on the river, but the best thing is how friendly and helpful the management/staff are. We made a couple of requests, and they were 100% reliable.  In the past I have usually stayed in the Equatorial, which is exponentially more expensive, and a totally different atmosphere, but nice.

view from rear terrace of Melaka River

Kota Baru: Tune Hotel. I wanted to stay in one to see how it was. The staff were very friendly and helpful, and the rooms were surprisingly large for the image of the hotel.

Tune Hotel room is quite spacey

Conclusion:

It appears the best scenery is probably from Chegar Perah to about Kuala Krai.  As I missed seeing this due to it being dark I am thinking of taking the day train from Kota Baru next time, and then turning around and catching the train back to Kota Baru once I have seen the best part, or perhaps catching the 17.16 evening Intercity train and seeing most of it before it gets dark. There are other possibilities, too.

Are microwave ovens harmful? My Penang experiment – Report 2

Back in January I tried an experiment with plants, comparing the use of microwaved and cooled water compared to boiled and cooled water.  In the end I found no difference.  This report can be found below this.

I thought this was the end of it.  I thought from then on they would be the same. I repotted the plants – about nine per pot finally germinated and grew – and thereafter just watered with ordinary tap water or rainwater if I had it – there was no difference to my treatment by this stage.  Both sets of plants seemed to be growing just as healthily as the other.

The plants in both pots stayed healthy until now.

However, this week I went away for a few days, and unfortunately it didn’t rain.  So the plants remained unwatered, and when I returned they had all wilted and looked dead.  I watered them immediately that evening.  The non-microwaved-water plants had revived by the next morning, but the microwaved-water plants remained wilted and dead looking  – and still were the next day.  So I pruned off the dead parts of the microwaved-water plants to give them a better chance to revive.

So now we have a difference – the nine microwaved-water plants suffered far more – and may be dead – compared to the eight or nine plants that had ordinary water.

microwave plants in left pot, ordinary on right

microwave plants in left pot, ordinary on right

 

The photo above shows a very clear difference.  The “microwaved plants” may not survive – I will see – but the ordinary plants quickly revived.  So this would suggest that indeed microwave ovens can be harmful.

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DAY 1 – 10.01.2014

I have seen articles where people watered two plants, one with microwaved water, and one with boiled water, and the plant watered with microwaved water died, where the other grew normally.  This is easy to try, so I am. Of course, it’s not a double blind study, and I have expectations, but I will treat each pot and germinated plants as equally as possible.

I chose blue pea flower seeds because I grow them,  they germinate easily, I could pick the seeds from the same pods myself, and so as many variables as possible are controlled.

  1. Picked six pods of blue pea flower  seeds
  2. took out seeds from each pod and separated into half
  3. took two or three seeds from each half, totalling 15 seeds in total for each half
  4. now have a mixture of seeds from each pod, separated into two
  5. boiled one cup of water in microwave (2 minutes) and one in kettle and let cool
  6. sterilised two pots, put paper liner in bottom and Tesco no-nutrition soil in to same level
  7. put outside under some cover so will get sun but little rain
  8. sewed the two lots of 15 seeds in pots – one marked for microwave water, and one normal
  9. watered microwave pot with microwave water, and other with kettle boiled water
  10. most days give half a cup of water to each
pods

pods

seeds and pots and water

seeds divided into half from each pod, and pots and water

DAY 2 – no water

DAY 3 – watered with half a cup

DAY 4 – half cup of water – nothing germinated yet

DAY 5 – 14.1 – One seed in each pot has germinated. Half cup water.

DAY 6 – Two seeds germinated in microwave pot, still one in boiled water pot.

DAY 8 – Photo.  One germinated seed has disappeared from microwave pot, so now one per pot. So far there seems to be no difference I can attribute to the different water.

both look healthy

both look healthy

DAY 12 – So far it appears there is little difference.  I’ll see what happens in the next week, and then publish.

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so far, no significant difference – Day 12

DAY 19 – Nothing seems so different that the water has had an effect.

Day 19 - Microwave has two plants, boiled water has three. All seem healthy

Day 19 – Microwaved water  has two plants, boiled water has three. All seem healthy.

Blue pea flower seeds are quite strong, and with 2/15 germinating with the microwaved water, and 3/15 with the boiled water, I expect that probably more will germinate later. I will transplant to bigger pots later and use for decoration.  But the result of the study showed no difference.

 

Incredible price rises at Tesco, Penang

I am just back from Tesco shopping. Not fun, but necessary.

 

When Tesco opened the vegetables and fruit were considerably cheaper than the wet market. Not so, now. On the way to Tesco we shopped at Mt. Erskine wet market, where beetroot, for example, was RM6 per kilo. At Tesco the price was over RM8 per kilo.

Vodka, locally produced,  in Tesco has now increased by about 10%.  Canned fish is more, but I can’t remember previous prices.  But the biggest price rise that concerned me was basic cheap soil I used to buy each time.  It was previously RM1.40, but now is RM1.90, a 36% rise.  The better soil is almost RM5, about a 40% price increase, too.

Up from RM1.40 to RM1.90!

Up from RM1.40 to RM1.90!

Another massive price rise on this product.

Another massive price rise on this product.

I will be looking for a new source for soil.